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CASE STUDY: 130k Per Year online with Digital Products (Full Blueprint)

CASE STUDY: 130k Per Year online with Digital Products (Full Blueprint)
I want to share with you exact processes that use to generate over 100k per year online with just my laptop and a few basic, inexpensive and simple to use applications.
Here are the full stats from a few of my accounts (in the spirit of transparency):

These are my Real accounts. I'm only sharing this to let you know what is truly possible. I'm just an average guy making better than average money, but any ol' average person can do this.

This has allowed me to travel all over and meet with some of the top marketers and entrepreneurs in the world.
This is all because of one simple and repeatable process.
It is a very simple 3 part business. Part 1: Create & sell simple digital “how to” guides. Part 2: Add the customers to my email list. Part 3: Mail my subscribers with more products and recommend affiliate products.
No kidding, that's it.
Everyone... EVERYONE wants to overcomplicate the process but it is simple.. The Truth is, the more simple you keep it the more money you’ll make with it.
I want to make something very clear.
This is the exact process and business map that I’ve used for the past few years as my full time income online. Anyone with a computer, an internet connection, a willingness to learn and the drive to earn can succeed.
OK... Let's get to the good stuff.
I’m going to lay out the foundation and recipe for my online business.
Like a recipe, just follow the steps in this guide. It’s very simple for a reason.
My online business consists of 3 parts.
Part 1: Create & sell simple “how to” guides. Part 2: Add customers to my email list. Part 3: Offer other products and affiliate products to my list.
First let’s talk about WHY then HOW.
There are several reasons to sell your own digital information product.
  • Instant payments upon sale
  • Customers go on your email list
  • It’s digital, no handling any inventory
  • It all works on near autopilot
  • Opens the door to upsells and higher ticket products
  • You control everything and call the shots
  • Build an army of affiliates that sell your products for you
  • Opens the door to easy affiliate sales from your list
  • You build an instant relationship with your customers
Why have an email list?
  • Continue to communicate with people who bought from you
  • They will buy more of your products
  • They will buy products you recommend as an affiliate
  • Closest REAL thing you can get to “push button make money”.
  • You can automate email drip sequences for weeks (even months) that continue to make you money while you sleep
Affiliate Product sales:
  • Very time consuming or expensive to do WITHOUT an email list. Most people try to sell affiliate products FIRST, instead you should sell your own product first THEN sell affiliate products to your customer list… this is much easier and they are 3x more assured to buy (compared to cold paid traffic).
  • With affiliate products, basically all you do is send emails to your list about niche related products that interest them. You get a commission from each sale without having to do anything further.
  • Recurring affiliate products ROCK. I make a handsome amount each month in recurring income simply from promoting affiliate products that have recurring price points. These REALLY add up quickly to thousands a month!
So now you know the why, let’s get to the “how”.
How to Instantly Know the Perfect Niche (topic/interest/verticals) for You. This is definitely in the top 5 of questions I get asked on a regular basis. And the answer is strikingly simple.
Ask yourself these 3 questions:
  1. What is that one thing you talk about every chance you get?
  2. What is it that when you talk about it with your friends, you dominate the conversation because you like it so much?
  3. What is it that when you talk about it, your significant other rolls their eyes because they are tired of you talking about it?
You don’t even have to think about it, you know what that thing is.
That is your Niche. Some people will try and tell you not to follow your passion.
There are enough people who like what you like for you to make money in it. Period.
The thing is.. We are running an information business here so you need Content. That is to say.. you need to simply love to TALK about your topic. Or at the very least be interested enough to review prewritten content.
It’s so much easier to whip out an ebook or a video about something you really like. And way easier to write a daily/weekly email if your niche is Golf.. and you actually like golf.
The key is simply finding whats in demand in your niche.

So that’s it. You now know your perfect niche.
Moving onward...
#2: How to whip up simple “How-To” manuals that sell like Hot cakes in your target market. (even if you’ve Never done it before)
So there’s really two parts to this: - What are you going to talk about? - How do you write the pdf / create videos?
We’ve already determined your niche, now we need to come up with content that people are willing to pay for.
The best sellers are simple one problem one solution manuals.
You find a common problem in your niche and you simplify a step-by-step process that resolves that problem.
Bob is a good friend of mine who has a passion for Golf. He’s retired and on the greens almost daily and loves to talk Golf with his buddies on Facebook.
He came to me looking to make a little extra on the side and I pointed out that Golf is a great topic.
He wound up writing a small series of short punchy ebooks like “Golf Simplified: 10 Easy Techniques to Improve Your Game”.
Turns out people loved those little reports. He sold them for $9.95 each.
Bob also set up a small Facebook group where customers of the book could join in the conversation. He charged a small entry fee to get in (though he could have charged a small recurring).
There are also other types of info products you can make.
Educational, entertainment, motivational… whatever suits your niche.
A great place to get ideas is Amazon’s Top Sellers book section. That will show you all of the top selling books for every category on Amazon. Research done.
Now for the Technical side...
This part is REALLY simple. As you can see, the very training you are reading, that you would have paid for if you were my customers, is just a simple plain text document.
I actually wrote it in Evernote which is a notepad app.
You could use Microsoft Word, Google Docs, or the plain text editor on your computer or tablet or smart phone.
Don’t worry about the length of pages.
It could be 10 pages or 100 pages depending on your topic. What matters is that the content is there and you’ve delivered on the premise of the information.
A lot of people will use a “5/5” system.
Meaning they break the topic up into 5 sections and then break those up into 5 subsections each.

When you are staring at a blank page, that 5/5 comes in handy because you just write out the overall bullet points.
Step 1, Step 2, Step 3, Step 4, Step 5
Then break down each of those steps into 5.
Example: REPORT: How to Build an Email list Step 1 - Build squeeze page Step 1 - Sign up for ClickFunnels Step 2 - New squeeze page from template Step 3 - Add headline Step 4 - Call to Action Step 5 - Opt-in form
Step 2 - Drive traffic Step 1 - Buy FB Ads Step 2 - Buy solo ads Step 3 - Youtube videos Step 4 - Forum signatures Step 5 - Influencers
And so on...
You get the idea. After that it’s a piece of cake to fill in that outline with the details.
#3 - How to get floods of Free hungry traffic to your offers. The traffic source I use 95% of the time for fresh blood.
One of the biggest complaints among beginners is that they don’t know where to get good traffic. In a moment you’ll realize that you will never have that problem again.
See traffic is all around you. It’s everywhere.
And the best sources of traffic are from the people producing content that caters to large audiences in their niche. (also known as "influencers")
Influencers have created a close bond with their audience. Their readers and viewers look forward to their content and their recommendations.
No matter what niche you are in, there are influencers.
These influencers don’t just churn content for free though. They want to make money too.
They need people like you with products that they can recommend to their audience and get paid when you get sales.
Also known as affiliate commissions.
This is great for them because all they have to do is write up a quick review article or email or video and send it out to their audience(s) via email, YouTube, blogs, podcasts, Instagram followings and etc.
Most influencers work multiple platforms and social networks so you can reach different types of audiences in your niche.
Two scenarios to leverage influencers:
  1. Pay commissions per sale like an affiliate.
  2. Pay them a flat fee upfront.
Affiliate traffic is my favorite traffic because the influencer recommends (pre-sells) your product to their lists without you paying out of pocket.
They will collect a percentage of the profit from each sale that is sent via their special link or promotion.
The systems that handle this do it all automatically for you (we’ll go over that in a bit in the technical stuff).
In addition you can offer bonuses and cash contests to your affiliates as a bigger incentive to promote harder and get more sales.
The other option is to pay upfront, usually a flat fee.
And to find out the price, simply ask.
Ask them how much they would charge to do a promotion of your product to their different networks.
Influencer traffic is the best paid traffic in the world.
It’s really as simple as that.
This is because it’s HOT traffic that the influencers are literally PRE-selling for you. Meaning these people want to buy before they ever even hit your sales page.
So I know you’re asking “where” to find influencers but honestly the answer is everywhere on every platform around you.
Look for big FB or Instagram or YouTube or Twitter or Pinterest accounts, etc.. in your niche that have a large number of followers, and contact them about paying for a shoutout or post to their page, or email to their list or blog or podcast or ANYWHERE.
Everyone speaks the language of money and anyone with a large following has been approached numerous times before, they know how to handle this question and probably even can copy/paste all the info right there for ya.
Also niche Facebook groups are a fantastic way to connect with the core people in your industry.
In just about any niche there are also groups like where influencers hang out and discuss their topic as well as live in person conventions. Putting yourself in those places can take your business to a whole different level.
You are now armed with the knowledge to get as much of the highest converting traffic as you could ever possibly want/need.
#4 The Email Marketers Golden Rule Book: Follow these 5 simple rules & WIN with email marketing. (yes it’s this simple)
If you’re new to writing emails to an email list, don’t fret. Follow these guidelines and you’ll be ok. (and you’ll make money)
1. Your subscribers are your students. People are essentially on your list to learn. They want to consume content about the topic they are interested in and passionate about or having a problem with. Teach them.
2. Your subscribers are your friends. These are real people, with real lives. If you met them offline then you would create an incredible connection (I’ve met some of mine and it’s a life changing experience).
Treat them as such. Treat them as your dear friends.
3. Always be talking to 1 person. Remember that on the other side of the screen there is just one person sitting there reading. It wouldn’t make sense to talk to him like a group of people.
The easiest way to start for me is to mentally picture the actual person I am talking to, like you are sitting there at the bar hanging out with a buddy telling him about the coolest new golf club that just came out (only we give them a link directly to buy it 📷)
4. Ask them what they want. The easiest way to do this is either ask them to reply to your email with their answer (ninja tip: this will also increase your deliverability rate with email servers).
You can also use a survey. Many autoresponders like Aweber and GetResponse have surveys built in or you can use a free service like SurveyMonkey.
Ask them short pointed questions like:
  • What is stopping you from doing xyz?
  • What things are you interested in seeing from me?
  • What are the top 3 things you struggle with?
  • What are the top 3 things you love to do?
  • Who do you look up to most in this industry?
  • Why did you sign up to my newsletter?
  • What do you like most about my newsletter?
  • What do you hate about my newsletter?
  • What’s the best time of day to send you an email?
Anything that will help you better understand their needs. They will tell you. You can even offer a thank you gift for answering.. this works very well.
5. Give them what they want. Dead simple right? They just told you what they want. So deliver it on a silver platter.
Find products you can promote as an affiliate that fulfills those wants and needs. You can google search “your niche affiliate” and find products to promote. Also on Clickbank.com, JVZoo.com, WarriorPlus.com as well as Amazon’s affiliate program, also CPA offers … Offervault.com is a good place to search for CPA offers. And that’s it!
Follow those 5 guidelines and you’ll have no problem making money with email marketing.
#5 - The NASCAR Pit Stop Quick guide to the Technical stuff.
So everyone’s biggest fear about running an online info product business is the “technical stuff”.
I’m here to tell you, don’t be so worried.
The technology we have today is designed for the average Joe to go in and create a sales page and use an autoresponder and everything you need is really point & click simple.
There are videos on every website for every tool you use, check Youtube even if you need help. If you don’t know “how” to do something technical just look it up on youtube and you learn or contact the support desk of the thing you are working with or find a group of people who would know and simply ask.
So here’s what you need, from a technical standpoint: - A few simple web pages. - Autoresponder. - A payment processor. - Affiliate management platform.
For website hosting I personally use LiquidWeb. There are cheaper solutions out there. I used Host Gator for a few years. They are great. Their support isn’t bad and the price is right for folks on a tiny budget.
Their Baby plan works just fine for what we are doing and is super cheap.
You’ll need to install WordPress (unless you know HTML and can make a few simple HTML pages on your own).
WordPress is a website management platform that allows the average Joe to make a website without knowing any code. It’s mostly point and click kinda stuff.
If you find you need help, most good hosts will actually do it for you if you just ask.
An Alternative Solution
There’s a new breed of onliner that’s kicking traditional hosting to the curb and opting for the “all-you-need” solution. This is what I mostly use now.
They are turning to platforms like ClickFunnels that offer extremely powerful funnel building tools that make it effortless to build.
They host your pages as well so no dealing with hosting and all that. Just log in, manage your pages and your customers and everything from one dashboard.
I HIGHLY recommend ClickFunnels if you are looking for easy, non-technical, and don’t want to deal with hosting.
LeadPages and InstaPage are similar.
All of these will integrate easily with most popular autoresponders.
Another Alternative Solution
Have someone else build your pages and do the technical stuff for you. If you flat out just don’t want to even try to do it, then just hand it off to someone else.
A few places you can look: Upwork , Fiverr , Freelancer. are more great places to find people to build your pages.
All of these places are not just great resources for finding web designers but also people who can help you with any kind of technical thing that you could possibly need. Autoresponders
There are several to choose from. I currently use GetResponse.
I’ve also used Aweber, it’s good. I hear Sendlane is good as well.
All of these technical platforms have easy to follow instructions on how to use them.
In Conclusion
You are now armed with the knowledge to change your life. You can take the information you just learned and create for yourself a full-time income online in a very short period of time.
In the end, excuses are exactly that, excuses. I’ve seen people go from the most incredibly bad situations and become millionaires from doing this exact business model. That's not to say you will but you CAN if you put your mind and "action" to it.

PLEASE keep me updated with your progress and hit me with any questions below.
Talk soon!
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How to Make Money While You Sleep With Affiliate Marketing

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Make Money While You Sleep in 2020: Five Steps To Get Started With Affiliate Marketing

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Make Money While You Sleep and Other Perks of Being an Affiliate

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It is difficult to find an advertiser who would spend great budgets for advertising with an easy heart. Another thing, when those people who actually promote goods and services do not ask for money but get a post-pay "for the result". So, in response to the wishes of the companies, affiliate marketing appeared and flourished. Joint work is extremely beneficial for both partners and customers. Read more...
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The best boxer briefs — Typical Contents

This is the first guide in a series from Typical Contents, a kind of “wirecutter for clothes”. It’s by the team behind Epochs, a now defunct menswear blog.
We’ll be reviewing categories of clothing in hopes of finding the best item(s) in that category. This first post focuses on finding the best pair of boxer briefs. We bought all 13 pairs tested using our own money and there are no referral or affiliate links contained in this post.
Over the past six months I've been on a personal crusade to find the best pair of mens boxer briefs. The reason? I'm investing the time and money now, upfront, so I never have to think about what underwear I buy ever again. During this quest I've researched over 20 pairs of underwear, and wore and washed 13 pairs over six months (and I will continue to test and update this guide accordingly). CDLP's Boxer Brief came out on top; they're light and comfortable, look great and can be had for a reasonable price when bought in multiples.

Best overall

CDLP Boxer Brief
An incredibly comfortable pair of underwear thanks to their light and airy lyocell material and lack of a fabric label. They're not quite so hard on the wallet in multipacks and subscriptions. Made in Portugal.
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CDLP’s Boxer Brief came out top in our testing. They were the most comfortable fit, perfectly hugging the wearer in a reassuring and supportive way. The unusual lyocell material was light, soft and has significant stretch. The material did have a slightly unusual sheen but this lessened on the body of the garment after a few washes (but remained on the waistband). The printed label on the inside is an excellent touch, avoiding the irritation of fabric labels. The waistband seam is moved off centre, preventing irritation in the small of the wearer’s back. The Portuguese manufacture oozes quality and means you’ll be supporting well paid workers. They are also durable: After six months of weekly wears and washes they show no issues.
£29 is expensive for a pair of underwear but its on par with others also made in developed countries. The price per pair can be brought down significantly by multipacks and CDLP's "Automatique" subscription service. A three pack costs £75, reducing the price per pair to £25 (a nine pack reduces the price per pair to £21.60 but costs an eye watering £195). Combining the three pack with a three month subscription reduces the price to £59 every three months. This reduces the price per pair to a relatively reasonable £19.
We were also impressed by CDLP’s presentation. The garments themselves exude a premium but understated feeling which is preferable to the brash loudness found in a lot of mens underwear. The bright yellow box the underwear arrives in was not only visually arresting, but made the unboxing feel special. It was reminiscent of a Mr Porter or Apple box opening experience.
This is the best pair of underpants I've ever owned. In the entire rotation this is the only pair I really looked forward to putting on. If you only want to own a single model of boxer brief, these should be it.

What we’d like to see improved

As CDLP’s founders themselves say, they “are not perfect”. We'd like more transparency around their factory in Portugal, more transparency about their lyocell material, its environmental impact, and manufacturing process. We’d also like to see some sort of recycling/disposal programme where old or worn out pairs can be sent back to the company for recycling alá Patagonia and others.

Also good

Sunspel Stretch Cotton Trunk
A well crafted pair of underwear that is comfortable and will last a long time. The material is more substantial than our top pick, but was less breathable and light feeling. Made in Portugal.
View on Sunspel's website
The Sunspel Stretch Cotton Trunk is just as comfortable as our top pick, the CDLP Boxer Brief. They have an excellent, supportive and flattering fit, and conform well to the wearer's body. Unfortunately it does have a fabric label, which we found annoying. Where this pair differs from our top pick is the material, which is a more traditional cotton/elastane mix. It is thicker and more substantial feeling than CDLP's lyocell offering but we prefer CDLP's lighter feeling material. The quality and durability on display from Sunspel is outstanding, and we expect this pair to last a very long time. Do not confuse these Stretch Cotton Trunks with Sunspel's Superfine Cotton Trunks, which are 100% cotton and we did not favour in our testing (they are also more expensive).
Sunspel do not offer multipacks or any kind of subscription service meaning what you see is what you get in terms of pricing, barring sales. All in all Sunspel has a nearly as compelling offering as our top pick for the same price (or more expensive if you take multipacks and subscription discounts into account) as our top pick. But purchasers will not be disappointed with the quality and fit on display from this heritage British brand.

Budget pick

UNIQLO Mens Supima Cotton Boxer Brief
Nearly (but not quite) as comfortable as our top picks, but there are significant sacrifices made in durability, quality and—arguably—origin. Made in Sri Lanka.
Buy on UNIQLO's website
For the more fiscally minded there is the UNIQLO Mens Supima Cotton Boxer Brief. They have an excellent, close fit and were almost (but not quite) as comfortable as our more expensive top picks. We were honestly surprised at how close they came though. The construction and quality doesn't feel as robust as our top picks and don't expect them to last nearly as long as the pairs made in Portugal. We wish they didn't have a fabric label, although it is at least a small one.
There was some slight confusion between different models with identical names on UNIQLO's website. Likely they are similar models from different factories that changed season to season. Perhaps this is a hazard of fast fashion. Speaking of which, there is some debate around the ethics used in UNIQLO's factories, despite the company’s claims. Bear in mind that this is a rock-bottom priced piece of clothing made in Sri Lanka, so ethically minded shoppers should probably steer clear.

Why you should trust us

We are the team behind the (now defunct) menswear website Epochs. Epochs examined the cultural and social history of menswear and produced some well received articles in the menswear community (e.g. Epochs Field Guide to Nautical Clothing, Epochs Field Guide to Camoflauge). We pride ourselves on our in-depth approach to research and focus on good design.
Luke McDonald is a fashion writer and stylist at London-based Thread. He has written many articles about menswear and styled a wide array of fashion shoots at Thread. Patrick McDonald is a designer based in Vancouver and has been a Muji underwear enthusiast for many years.
I (Andrew Emerson) am a designer in London. Finding the best pair of underwear became a mission of mine when I ended up with a drawer full of identical boxer briefs from a clothing subscription service in 2019. The consistency was nice but the quality was poor, so I decided I would replace my dozens of pairs of this brand's boxer brief with another model.

How we tested

Researching began online. We looked at a number of Reddit threads on malefashionadvice (thread 1, thread 2) and buyitforlife (thread 1, thread 2). We also looked at The Wirecutter’s “Best Boxer brief for Men” and “Best Travel Underwear 2020” articles as well. The Strategist had three relevant articles: ”The Best Men’s Underwear on Amazon, According to Hyperenthusiastic Reviewers”, ”What’s the Best Men’s Underwear?”, and ”What Are the Best Boxer Briefs for Men?”.
We also looked at brands that we had previous experience with, and that had permanent basics collections such as Everlane, Sunspel, ARKET and UNIQLO.
We looked to get a spread on different materials (cotton, cotton/elastane, wool, synthetics), different origins (Europe, Middle East, and Asia), and price points. Finally we purchased a shortlist of these using our own money.
We created a set of criteria that all pairs were judged against (see “What to look for” below). All purchased pairs were put in rotation for several months and notes taken on first and subsequent wears. We tracked the different pairs, stored notes, and ranked them using a Notion database. Finally we compiled our findings into this article. We intend to update this page periodically as we try new pairs (keep and eye on our changelog for updates) as there are other pairs we would still like to try.

What to look for in a pair of boxer briefs

We looked for a pair of underwear that was suitable for every day wear and most of life’s occasions; work, sleeping in, date night, running to catch a bus, dropping kids off, lounging around your apartment (but not for going to the gym or exercising in, you will need specialty underwear for that).
Boxer briefs only: We looked specifically at boxer briefs so that discounts more loose fitting boxers, and legless varieties like briefs. Boxer briefs were chosen because they are more supportive and comfortable than their cousins, and are flattering without being overly revealing. They are a modern, balanced undergarment for men.
Availability: Garments should be widely available and be almost always in stock. We discounted most high street labels because they have many different models that change frequently. We preferred those that were underwear specialists, or had a permanent collection of underwear.
Colours: We tested everything in black. This was to have a fair comparison, but also we prefer an understated look. It’s also more practical and won’t discolour.
Length and rise: Is the pair long or short in the leg? High or low rise? A balance is important here, but generally we want a regular rise combined with a slightly shorter leg length. Longer leg length can look antiquated, but a very short leg length can be uncomfortable and veer into hot pants territory (that’s bad). A slightly shorter leg can be flattering.
Fit: How tight or loose the pair is. Being boxer briefs, we are looking for a closer fitting garment, without being tight. The fit or cut is also a key factor when considering aesthetics. The fit should be flattering to the shape of the wearer, but bear in mind that it won’t make you look fit if you’re not.
Material: The main body will be some combination of cotton, wool, lyocell, elastane (spandex for our American compatriots). We found about 5-10% elastane is necessary for a comfortable, slightly stretchy fit. Without elastane, the garments had no give, weren’t fitted enough, and were generally less comfortable (they also tended to ride up the leg more). The waistband is generally a synthetic material with a percentage of elastane. The material of the waistband wasn’t as important as how it fit and felt (see below for more on waistbands).
Waistband: Two things to consider — softness and width. It should have a soft handle and be wide enough to spread the load. It also shouldn’t be too tight, or turn over easily.
Keyhole: Pretty much the only “feature” that mens boxer briefs can have; does the garment have a keyhole or not? We do not have a strong preference; slightly preferring without for simplicity. However it was not a factor that was taken into account when making our picks.
Durability: How does the garment hold up in day to day wear? How does it cope with being washed again and again? Despite what Tom Ford says, we don’t believe in throwing out our underwear after six months. We believe underwear should be able to stand up to being worn and washed at least once per week for around twelve months. We will update this guide as we continue to wash and wear our top picks.
Label/tag: Underwear should not have tags, which are annoying and itchy. Labels/tags printed directly on the garment are strongly preferred.
Price: Price can vary significantly, but we found there are generally a low and high price bracket, mostly depending on where the garment is made (see “origin” below).
Origin: Where the garment is manufactured. Today’s shoppers are much more conscientious about the ethics of their clothing. We gave preference to garments manufactured in developed countries and made in ethical, transparent ways.
Multipacks and subscription: Often a good way to reduce the price per unit. Subscription services are a great way to build up your underwear collection and of injecting fresh pairs into your rotation.

The competition

The ARKET Pima Cotton Trunks had too narrow a waistband which caused pressure on the wearer's hips. The tag is very long and caused irritation. They were also more expensive than our budget pick, which took them out of the running for us.
Although similar in many ways to our top pick (particularly the excellent lyocell material), the CDLP Boxer Trunk offers a more aggressive cut and a lower rise than their Boxer Brief cousins. However we found the leg length overly short and the cuffs of the legs more loose fitting than our top pick, leading to a overall less secure feeling fit. Some people may prefer the more sporty look, and the pair could be described as more flattering than any of our picks, but for everyday wear we prefer the CDLP Boxer Brief.
The Everlane Boxer Brief is a comfortable and all round good pair of underwear. They fit well, are the right length, and look good. The printed tag is a great touch as well. They fit was good, but were ever so slightly on the loose side in medium and weren't as flattering as the rest of our picks. The issue with Everlane's entry was the price. At £14 they are nearly three times more expensive than our budget pick for about the same experience. And although our top pick is priced at £29, they can be had for as low as £19 (and they're made in Portugal, not Sri Lanka). Shipping to the UK was also very expensive at £12. Overall they are a Very Good pair of boxer briefs but they're too expensive to be a budget pick and don't quite reach the excellence of our top picks.
The Rozenbroek Organic Bamboo Jersey Trunk is the only pair we wore that was manufactured in the UK, and is well priced for such a claim. Unfortunately we found the waistband very uncomfortable. It was too stiff, tight and thick. The edges were also slightly sharp and dug into the wearer’s hips. The bamboo material was comfortable, stretchy and light but Rozenbroek don't show the exact material breakdown on their website or on the garment itself.
Saxx is a brand well known and liked on the internet, featuring on many favourites lists. We tried the Saxx Undercover Trunk and found the cotton/modal/elastane material light, airy and supportive. One of Saxx's primary selling points is their "ballpark" technology, which is designed to cup the wearer’s genitals. We found this to be somewhat uncomfortable in practice though, with the fabric edge of the "pouch" rubbing annoyingly against the skin. The Vancouver, Canada based brand also isn't transparent about where it makes its product, which appear to be Chinese in origin. This lack of transparency made us somewhat uncomfortable, and £21 is on the steep side for China made underwear. The branding and marketing is also slightly over the top and in your face, especially compared to the understated approach of our picks. Finally Saxx is quite difficult to get outside of Canada and the US, and we had to resort to specialty outdoor shops to purchase ours in the UK.
The baggiest fit we tested belongs to the Smartwool Men's Merino Sport 150 Boxer Brief, which took them out of the running for us. This was a shame, because the merino wool construction was soft and light. £35 is also too much to be charging for a pair of underwear made in Vietnam.
The leg length was a little too long on the Stór Bamboo Boxer Brief and as a result they don't flatter the wearer. The bamboo material mix is soft and breathable and conforms well to the body and feels comparable to the lyocell used in our top pick. The origin (Turkey) is a little suspicious as it isn't listed anywhere on the website or the product. I had to reach out to the company to find out where they were made.
Being 100% cotton means the Sunspel Superfine Cotton Trunks don’t have much give, which created problems when worn. When combined with slightly too tight leg openings, it meant they tended to ride up over time, eventually leading to a nappy like appearance which then had to be readjusted. The tag is also a little annoying. Having said all that the waistband was soft and comfortable, and they are constructed well.
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Stop Hate for Profit: Peloton spends 76% of their marketing budget on Facebook, while 180+ companies are quitting the platform over hate speech. Why won't Peloton join the boycott?

It's time Peloton quits Facebook #StopHateForProfit

180+ Companies are boycotting Facebook; Peloton isn't.

In the past week major brands - Verizon, Adidas, Unilever, Honda, and Hershey’s - to name a few - joined a global boycott of advertising on Facebook. They join a list of over 180 companies agreeing to "Hit Pause on Hate," (some are listed here) by not advertising on Facebook in the month of July. The boycott has been organized by the Anti-Defamation League, Color of Change, the Free Press, Common Sense, the NAACP, and Sleeping Giants - to name a few.
The goal is to send Facebook a powerful message: Your profits will never be worth promoting hate, bigotry, racism, antisemitism, and violence. Facebook took $70 billion in ad dollars; but did you realize it's the ONLY social media platform Peloton officially recognizes? Peloton spent 76% of their marketing budget there from 11/16/2018 - 12/15/19! Peloton has heavily advertised on FB - and promoted the platform - for years. Marketing efforts have long been led by Carolyn Tisch Blodgett and “community” efforts led and overseen by Jayvee Nava. While many of you were pointing out the longstanding toxic environment of their Facebook page, Peloton still left it largely unmoderated. Even going so far as patting themselves on the back with a “200k strong” badge, and bragging about it multiple times on their public blog. They push users to Facebook via links on every page of their website; its mentioned 92 times on the company blog; in every email from John Foley; and on the bike, Tread, and apps pop-ups encourage users to sign up for Facebook accounts and link their Peloton login. Peloton doesn't just advertise on FB, they actively encourage users participate there.
Peloton spent $324 million on marketing - 35% of sales - in the 12 months ended June 2019. With 76% dedicated to Facebook, that's $246.24 million.
Let’s put that $246.24 million into perspective. Money spent on a platform promoting hate, bigotry, racism, antisemitism and violence. What would that money buy? It's 6,313,846 monthly subscriptions, or 109,684 bikes, or 57,332 Treads, or 5 brand new studios, or 4.5x their entire annual R&D budget, or 15x their music costs. Strikingly, just one-month ago - weeks after protests began - Peloton pledged $500k to the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, even while continuing their Facebook presence.
Over the years that Peloton has been relying on Facebook as its sole community platform and major advertising partner, Facebook has used Peloton's money by:

What could Peloton have accomplished with that same $246.24 million?

Facebook could protect and support Black users. They could call out Holocaust denial as hate. They could help get out the vote. But they are actively choosing not to do so. 99% of Facebook’s $70 billion is made through advertising. Meanwhile, Peloton has been dedicating 76% of its marketing spend on Facebook. Here's some examples. They're in the top-five spenders of direct-to-consumer brands. Peloton could send a very direct message here, but their silence is deafening. Not only are they NOT taking a stand, they continue to send messages to all subscribers asking them to become users at Facebook, further increasing Facebook ad revenue.

It's time we asked Peloton to stop standing with Facebook; stop advertising there; stop running their only "official" page on a platform promoting hate and violence. It's time Peloton put its corporate money - our subscription dollars - toward a platform that does not promote hate speech, racism, bigotry, antisemitism, and violence.

Helpful Links

A bit about PelotonCycle

For anyone who wasn't aware, /PelotonCycle was started-by and is run by-and-for Peloton members. We are not affiliated with Peloton Interactive. We started in 2015 with the goal of elevating the Peloton conversation. We seek to exchange info, ideas, intel about Peloton; selflessly helping each other become better athletes and people. Over the years we've seen members do some amazing things, including create the BlueHeart app, and start a monthly cycling challenge that became what we now know as Monthly Challenges. A bot was created here from scratch which tags your Leaderboard name - and keeps your achievements updated 4x/day. We celebrate Milestones every Monday; including those streaks and achievements that Peloton doesn't recognize. On most days, I see threads full of people selflessly helping each other out of the goodness of their hearts. In my view, that's the very spirit of sport.
What you, yes you - the person reading this - and the others around you have built, over years, has helped countless people. We don't publicly post our traffic, because we're really more focused on helping each other and don’t feel the need to emphasize subscribers as the sole marker of a successful community. But over 900,000 people visit here in a given month. Over 4 million unique pageviews. In May 2020 alone you posted 1,096 threads with a combined 24,983 comments. The vast majority were detailed, helpful, informative, interesting, value-added info you generously shared with your fellow members out of the goodness of your heart.
As always, keeping our rules enforced fairly and evenhandedly, and generally running this massive place, would be an impossible endeavour if not for FrauKoko and Kraphtyone. We owe a big thanks to NCBarkingDogs who spends countless hours keeping the bot's gears greased.

What Reddit is doing

You may have seen the news Reddit's sitewide owners have banned a number of communities, added a Black board member, and updated their content policy. If you don't know reddit's sitewide rules, they're worth checking out here.
Here in /PelotonCycle we have always maintained a stricter set of rules, including "be kind" (R2), "criticism is welcomed, but don't use it as an excuse to push an agenda" (R6), and a broad view (R7) that "personal attacks, slurs, or comments that insult or demean a specific user or group of users" is inappropriate, considered spam, the content will be removed and you may be banned without warning. We have for a while now been banning links to Facebook or removing content that promotes FOMO when discussing Peloton on FB. More on that policy here.

Wrap Up: What can I do?

Someone recently asked me, "what can I do to help?" and my answer is: a) use the vote buttons, and b) click "report" on anything you feel is rule-breaking.
We're community-run. Meaning, your votes move content up/down the page. If it shouldn't be seen, downvote it. If more people should see it, upvote it. If it's rule-breaking -- that goes for any post or any comment, click the "report" button. That immediately sends a 100% anonymous alert to a shared moderator inbox and allows us to act on inappropriate content quickly. If you have an issue with a specific mod, please let me know. If you have an issue with me (and don't want to PM me), please let another mod know. None of us make money off this place; none of us have ever made a single penny here. We endeavour to fairly and evenhandedly enforce our rules. We endeavour to promote a place that's open, transparent, informative, fun, helpful. A place you can make friends, laugh, relax, share stories and info. A place you can interact while being as anonymous as you like (a reddit account doesn't require your real name or even an email, for example); we value user privacy here. We value honesty, integrity, fairness, generosity, fresh ideas, open debate. I'm really proud of what you all have built here. We seek to be better -- better athletes, better people.
Beyond improving this specific Peloton community for all humans, it is time we asked the same of Peloton, too. It's long, long overdue for Peloton to step away from Facebook, build worthwhile community features into their own app/website/platform. To be clear, we are not asking Peloton to take over this page. This is not a self-serving call to action. It is asking Peloton to stop promoting hate by choosing to use Facebook as its social platform; by choosing to spend an overwhelming portion of its astronomical budget on Facebook advertising; asking Peloton to stop giving lip service to community, and start investing real $’s and resources into building the same “community” features that FitBit, Garmin, Suunto, and other platforms have created. Into their own ecosystem. Their own website, apps, hardware.

Put simply: Peloton, stop promoting hate by spending money on Facebook. You can share your support by emailing [email protected], up-voting this post, and leaving a comment below.

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Letter from a Birmingham Jail

With all of the recent discussion of the protests and riots following George Floyd's murder I thought it was worth remembering that this conversation has occurred before. Many objected to the tactics used by the Civil Rights movement with the same arguments and criticism that we hear today. I think they ring as hollow now as they did then. I think we could do well to read MLK's words and reflect on whether we want to be embracing the arguments that were so eloquently criticized here.
My Dear Fellow Clergymen:
While confined here in the Birmingham city jail, I came across your recent statement calling my present activities "unwise and untimely." Seldom do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas. If I sought to answer all the criticisms that cross my desk, my secretaries would have little time for anything other than such correspondence in the course of the day, and I would have no time for constructive work. But since I feel that you are men of genuine good will and that your criticisms are sincerely set forth, I want to try to answer your statement in what I hope will be patient and reasonable terms.
I think I should indicate why I am here in Birmingham, since you have been influenced by the view which argues against "outsiders coming in." I have the honor of serving as president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, an organization operating in every southern state, with headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. We have some eighty five affiliated organizations across the South, and one of them is the Alabama Christian Movement for Human Rights. Frequently we share staff, educational and financial resources with our affiliates. Several months ago the affiliate here in Birmingham asked us to be on call to engage in a nonviolent direct action program if such were deemed necessary. We readily consented, and when the hour came we lived up to our promise. So I, along with several members of my staff, am here because I was invited here. I am here because I have organizational ties here.
But more basically, I am in Birmingham because injustice is here. Just as the prophets of the eighth century B.C. left their villages and carried their "thus saith the Lord" far beyond the boundaries of their home towns, and just as the Apostle Paul left his village of Tarsus and carried the gospel of Jesus Christ to the far corners of the Greco Roman world, so am I compelled to carry the gospel of freedom beyond my own home town. Like Paul, I must constantly respond to the Macedonian call for aid.
Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states. I cannot sit idly by in Atlanta and not be concerned about what happens in Birmingham. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds.
You deplore the demonstrations taking place in Birmingham. But your statement, I am sorry to say, fails to express a similar concern for the conditions that brought about the demonstrations. I am sure that none of you would want to rest content with the superficial kind of social analysis that deals merely with effects and does not grapple with underlying causes. It is unfortunate that demonstrations are taking place in Birmingham, but it is even more unfortunate that the city's white power structure left the Negro community with no alternative.
In any nonviolent campaign there are four basic steps: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self purification; and direct action. We have gone through all these steps in Birmingham. There can be no gainsaying the fact that racial injustice engulfs this community. Birmingham is probably the most thoroughly segregated city in the United States. Its ugly record of brutality is widely known. Negroes have experienced grossly unjust treatment in the courts. There have been more unsolved bombings of Negro homes and churches in Birmingham than in any other city in the nation. These are the hard, brutal facts of the case. On the basis of these conditions, Negro leaders sought to negotiate with the city fathers. But the latter consistently refused to engage in good faith negotiation.
Then, last September, came the opportunity to talk with leaders of Birmingham's economic community. In the course of the negotiations, certain promises were made by the merchants--for example, to remove the stores' humiliating racial signs. On the basis of these promises, the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth and the leaders of the Alabama Christian Movement for Human Rights agreed to a moratorium on all demonstrations. As the weeks and months went by, we realized that we were the victims of a broken promise. A few signs, briefly removed, returned; the others remained. As in so many past experiences, our hopes had been blasted, and the shadow of deep disappointment settled upon us. We had no alternative except to prepare for direct action, whereby we would present our very bodies as a means of laying our case before the conscience of the local and the national community. Mindful of the difficulties involved, we decided to undertake a process of self purification. We began a series of workshops on nonviolence, and we repeatedly asked ourselves: "Are you able to accept blows without retaliating?" "Are you able to endure the ordeal of jail?" We decided to schedule our direct action program for the Easter season, realizing that except for Christmas, this is the main shopping period of the year. Knowing that a strong economic-withdrawal program would be the by product of direct action, we felt that this would be the best time to bring pressure to bear on the merchants for the needed change.
Then it occurred to us that Birmingham's mayoral election was coming up in March, and we speedily decided to postpone action until after election day. When we discovered that the Commissioner of Public Safety, Eugene "Bull" Connor, had piled up enough votes to be in the run off, we decided again to postpone action until the day after the run off so that the demonstrations could not be used to cloud the issues. Like many others, we waited to see Mr. Connor defeated, and to this end we endured postponement after postponement. Having aided in this community need, we felt that our direct action program could be delayed no longer.
You may well ask: "Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. The purpose of our direct action program is to create a situation so crisis packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in a tragic effort to live in monologue rather than dialogue.
One of the basic points in your statement is that the action that I and my associates have taken in Birmingham is untimely. Some have asked: "Why didn't you give the new city administration time to act?" The only answer that I can give to this query is that the new Birmingham administration must be prodded about as much as the outgoing one, before it will act. We are sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of Albert Boutwell as mayor will bring the millennium to Birmingham. While Mr. Boutwell is a much more gentle person than Mr. Connor, they are both segregationists, dedicated to maintenance of the status quo. I have hope that Mr. Boutwell will be reasonable enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from devotees of civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.
We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant "Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."
We have waited for more than 340 years for our constitutional and God given rights. The nations of Asia and Africa are moving with jetlike speed toward gaining political independence, but we still creep at horse and buggy pace toward gaining a cup of coffee at a lunch counter. Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick and even kill your black brothers and sisters; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six year old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky, and see her beginning to distort her personality by developing an unconscious bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five year old son who is asking: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "nigger," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next, and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"--then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience. You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."
Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an "I it" relationship for an "I thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. Hence segregation is not only politically, economically and sociologically unsound, it is morally wrong and sinful. Paul Tillich has said that sin is separation. Is not segregation an existential expression of man's tragic separation, his awful estrangement, his terrible sinfulness? Thus it is that I can urge men to obey the 1954 decision of the Supreme Court, for it is morally right; and I can urge them to disobey segregation ordinances, for they are morally wrong.
Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal. Let me give another explanation. A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law. Who can say that the legislature of Alabama which set up that state's segregation laws was democratically elected? Throughout Alabama all sorts of devious methods are used to prevent Negroes from becoming registered voters, and there are some counties in which, even though Negroes constitute a majority of the population, not a single Negro is registered. Can any law enacted under such circumstances be considered democratically structured?
Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.
I hope you are able to see the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.
Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was evidenced sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar, on the ground that a higher moral law was at stake. It was practiced superbly by the early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks rather than submit to certain unjust laws of the Roman Empire. To a degree, academic freedom is a reality today because Socrates practiced civil disobedience. In our own nation, the Boston Tea Party represented a massive act of civil disobedience.
We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. Even so, I am sure that, had I lived in Germany at the time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers. If today I lived in a Communist country where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I would openly advocate disobeying that country's antireligious laws.
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.
In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because his unique God consciousness and never ceasing devotion to God's will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber. I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth." Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.
You speak of our activity in Birmingham as extreme. At first I was rather disappointed that fellow clergymen would see my nonviolent efforts as those of an extremist. I began thinking about the fact that I stand in the middle of two opposing forces in the Negro community. One is a force of complacency, made up in part of Negroes who, as a result of long years of oppression, are so drained of self respect and a sense of "somebodiness" that they have adjusted to segregation; and in part of a few middle-class Negroes who, because of a degree of academic and economic security and because in some ways they profit by segregation, have become insensitive to the problems of the masses. The other force is one of bitterness and hatred, and it comes perilously close to advocating violence. It is expressed in the various black nationalist groups that are springing up across the nation, the largest and best known being Elijah Muhammad's Muslim movement. Nourished by the Negro's frustration over the continued existence of racial discrimination, this movement is made up of people who have lost faith in America, who have absolutely repudiated Christianity, and who have concluded that the white man is an incorrigible "devil."
I have tried to stand between these two forces, saying that we need emulate neither the "do nothingism" of the complacent nor the hatred and despair of the black nationalist. For there is the more excellent way of love and nonviolent protest. I am grateful to God that, through the influence of the Negro church, the way of nonviolence became an integral part of our struggle. If this philosophy had not emerged, by now many streets of the South would, I am convinced, be flowing with blood. And I am further convinced that if our white brothers dismiss as "rabble rousers" and "outside agitators" those of us who employ nonviolent direct action, and if they refuse to support our nonviolent efforts, millions of Negroes will, out of frustration and despair, seek solace and security in black nationalist ideologies--a development that would inevitably lead to a frightening racial nightmare.
Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever. The yearning for freedom eventually manifests itself, and that is what has happened to the American Negro. Something within has reminded him of his birthright of freedom, and something without has reminded him that it can be gained. Consciously or unconsciously, he has been caught up by the Zeitgeist, and with his black brothers of Africa and his brown and yellow brothers of Asia, South America and the Caribbean, the United States Negro is moving with a sense of great urgency toward the promised land of racial justice. If one recognizes this vital urge that has engulfed the Negro community, one should readily understand why public demonstrations are taking place. The Negro has many pent up resentments and latent frustrations, and he must release them. So let him march; let him make prayer pilgrimages to the city hall; let him go on freedom rides -and try to understand why he must do so. If his repressed emotions are not released in nonviolent ways, they will seek expression through violence; this is not a threat but a fact of history. So I have not said to my people: "Get rid of your discontent." Rather, I have tried to say that this normal and healthy discontent can be channeled into the creative outlet of nonviolent direct action. And now this approach is being termed extremist. But though I was initially disappointed at being categorized as an extremist, as I continued to think about the matter I gradually gained a measure of satisfaction from the label. Was not Jesus an extremist for love: "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Was not Amos an extremist for justice: "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever flowing stream." Was not Paul an extremist for the Christian gospel: "I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Was not Martin Luther an extremist: "Here I stand; I cannot do otherwise, so help me God." And John Bunyan: "I will stay in jail to the end of my days before I make a butchery of my conscience." And Abraham Lincoln: "This nation cannot survive half slave and half free." And Thomas Jefferson: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal . . ." So the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be. Will we be extremists for hate or for love? Will we be extremists for the preservation of injustice or for the extension of justice? In that dramatic scene on Calvary's hill three men were crucified. We must never forget that all three were crucified for the same crime--the crime of extremism. Two were extremists for immorality, and thus fell below their environment. The other, Jesus Christ, was an extremist for love, truth and goodness, and thereby rose above his environment. Perhaps the South, the nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists.
I had hoped that the white moderate would see this need. Perhaps I was too optimistic; perhaps I expected too much. I suppose I should have realized that few members of the oppressor race can understand the deep groans and passionate yearnings of the oppressed race, and still fewer have the vision to see that injustice must be rooted out by strong, persistent and determined action. I am thankful, however, that some of our white brothers in the South have grasped the meaning of this social revolution and committed themselves to it. They are still all too few in quantity, but they are big in quality. Some -such as Ralph McGill, Lillian Smith, Harry Golden, James McBride Dabbs, Ann Braden and Sarah Patton Boyle--have written about our struggle in eloquent and prophetic terms. Others have marched with us down nameless streets of the South. They have languished in filthy, roach infested jails, suffering the abuse and brutality of policemen who view them as "dirty nigger-lovers." Unlike so many of their moderate brothers and sisters, they have recognized the urgency of the moment and sensed the need for powerful "action" antidotes to combat the disease of segregation. Let me take note of my other major disappointment. I have been so greatly disappointed with the white church and its leadership. Of course, there are some notable exceptions. I am not unmindful of the fact that each of you has taken some significant stands on this issue. I commend you, Reverend Stallings, for your Christian stand on this past Sunday, in welcoming Negroes to your worship service on a nonsegregated basis. I commend the Catholic leaders of this state for integrating Spring Hill College several years ago.
But despite these notable exceptions, I must honestly reiterate that I have been disappointed with the church. I do not say this as one of those negative critics who can always find something wrong with the church. I say this as a minister of the gospel, who loves the church; who was nurtured in its bosom; who has been sustained by its spiritual blessings and who will remain true to it as long as the cord of life shall lengthen.
When I was suddenly catapulted into the leadership of the bus protest in Montgomery, Alabama, a few years ago, I felt we would be supported by the white church. I felt that the white ministers, priests and rabbis of the South would be among our strongest allies. Instead, some have been outright opponents, refusing to understand the freedom movement and misrepresenting its leaders; all too many others have been more cautious than courageous and have remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained glass windows.
In spite of my shattered dreams, I came to Birmingham with the hope that the white religious leadership of this community would see the justice of our cause and, with deep moral concern, would serve as the channel through which our just grievances could reach the power structure. I had hoped that each of you would understand. But again I have been disappointed.
I have heard numerous southern religious leaders admonish their worshipers to comply with a desegregation decision because it is the law, but I have longed to hear white ministers declare: "Follow this decree because integration is morally right and because the Negro is your brother." In the midst of blatant injustices inflicted upon the Negro, I have watched white churchmen stand on the sideline and mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. In the midst of a mighty struggle to rid our nation of racial and economic injustice, I have heard many ministers say: "Those are social issues, with which the gospel has no real concern." And I have watched many churches commit themselves to a completely other worldly religion which makes a strange, un-Biblical distinction between body and soul, between the sacred and the secular.
I have traveled the length and breadth of Alabama, Mississippi and all the other southern states. On sweltering summer days and crisp autumn mornings I have looked at the South's beautiful churches with their lofty spires pointing heavenward. I have beheld the impressive outlines of her massive religious education buildings. Over and over I have found myself asking: "What kind of people worship here? Who is their God? Where were their voices when the lips of Governor Barnett dripped with words of interposition and nullification? Where were they when Governor Wallace gave a clarion call for defiance and hatred? Where were their voices of support when bruised and weary Negro men and women decided to rise from the dark dungeons of complacency to the bright hills of creative protest?"
Yes, these questions are still in my mind. In deep disappointment I have wept over the laxity of the church. But be assured that my tears have been tears of love. There can be no deep disappointment where there is not deep love. Yes, I love the church. How could I do otherwise? I am in the rather unique position of being the son, the grandson and the great grandson of preachers. Yes, I see the church as the body of Christ. But, oh! How we have blemished and scarred that body through social neglect and through fear of being nonconformists.
There was a time when the church was very powerful--in the time when the early Christians rejoiced at being deemed worthy to suffer for what they believed. In those days the church was not merely a thermometer that recorded the ideas and principles of popular opinion; it was a thermostat that transformed the mores of society. Whenever the early Christians entered a town, the people in power became disturbed and immediately sought to convict the Christians for being "disturbers of the peace" and "outside agitators."' But the Christians pressed on, in the conviction that they were "a colony of heaven," called to obey God rather than man. Small in number, they were big in commitment. They were too God-intoxicated to be "astronomically intimidated." By their effort and example they brought an end to such ancient evils as infanticide and gladiatorial contests. Things are different now. So often the contemporary church is a weak, ineffectual voice with an uncertain sound. So often it is an archdefender of the status quo. Far from being disturbed by the presence of the church, the power structure of the average community is consoled by the church's silent--and often even vocal--sanction of things as they are.
But the judgment of God is upon the church as never before. If today's church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young people whose disappointment with the church has turned into outright disgust.
Perhaps I have once again been too optimistic. Is organized religion too inextricably bound to the status quo to save our nation and the world? Perhaps I must turn my faith to the inner spiritual church, the church within the church, as the true ekklesia and the hope of the world. But again I am thankful to God that some noble souls from the ranks of organized religion have broken loose from the paralyzing chains of conformity and joined us as active partners in the struggle for freedom. They have left their secure congregations and walked the streets of Albany, Georgia, with us. They have gone down the highways of the South on tortuous rides for freedom. Yes, they have gone to jail with us. Some have been dismissed from their churches, have lost the support of their bishops and fellow ministers. But they have acted in the faith that right defeated is stronger than evil triumphant. Their witness has been the spiritual salt that has preserved the true meaning of the gospel in these troubled times. They have carved a tunnel of hope through the dark mountain of disappointment. I hope the church as a whole will meet the challenge of this decisive hour. But even if the church does not come to the aid of justice, I have no despair about the future. I have no fear about the outcome of our struggle in Birmingham, even if our motives are at present misunderstood. We will reach the goal of freedom in Birmingham and all over the nation, because the goal of America is freedom. Abused and scorned though we may be, our destiny is tied up with America's destiny. Before the pilgrims landed at Plymouth, we were here. Before the pen of Jefferson etched the majestic words of the Declaration of Independence across the pages of history, we were here. For more than two centuries our forebears labored in this country without wages; they made cotton king; they built the homes of their masters while suffering gross injustice and shameful humiliation -and yet out of a bottomless vitality they continued to thrive and develop. If the inexpressible cruelties of slavery could not stop us, the opposition we now face will surely fail. We will win our freedom because the sacred heritage of our nation and the eternal will of God are embodied in our echoing demands. Before closing I feel impelled to mention one other point in your statement that has troubled me profoundly. You warmly commended the Birmingham police force for keeping "order" and "preventing violence." I doubt that you would have so warmly commended the police force if you had seen its dogs sinking their teeth into unarmed, nonviolent Negroes. I doubt that you would so quickly commend the policemen if you were to observe their ugly and inhumane treatment of Negroes here in the city jail; if you were to watch them push and curse old Negro women and young Negro girls; if you were to see them slap and kick old Negro men and young boys; if you were to observe them, as they did on two occasions, refuse to give us food because we wanted to sing our grace together. I cannot join you in your praise of the Birmingham police department.
It is true that the police have exercised a degree of discipline in handling the demonstrators. In this sense they have conducted themselves rather "nonviolently" in public. But for what purpose? To preserve the evil system of segregation. Over the past few years I have consistently preached that nonviolence demands that the means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek. I have tried to make clear that it is wrong to use immoral means to attain moral ends. But now I must affirm that it is just as wrong, or perhaps even more so, to use moral means to preserve immoral ends. Perhaps Mr. Connor and his policemen have been rather nonviolent in public, as was Chief Pritchett in Albany, Georgia, but they have used the moral means of nonviolence to maintain the immoral end of racial injustice. As T. S. Eliot has said: "The last temptation is the greatest treason: To do the right deed for the wrong reason."
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Let’s set the record straight!

Let’s set the record straight!
Hi there!
I’m Kojot0976. Most folks call me Kojot or BDK. But you can call me whatever you want.
In past week you might have seen couple posts being very critical, insulting and untrue about me.
Reason behind those still eludes me but that doesn’t mean I will stay silent.
You, as a member of this community, deserve answers and I’ll try to provide them to best of my ability.
“Are you an Asus employee or affiliate?”
No. I never worked, affiliated or been asked to promote Asus products. If any one of those were true I would have put “Asus Affiliate” or “Asus employee” into my bio for transparency.
“Are you an undercover Alienware employee tasked with throwing dirt at Asus?”
No. I have several Alienware products but was never contacted to promote them or to make them look better in eyes on consumers.
“Some of your answers or advises are questionable/untrue.”
Everything I ever posted here comes from either verified source, personal research or personal experience. I would never knowingly tell you something that isn’t true or could hurt you or your machine. That doesn’t mean I know everything and can’t make a mistake. If you see something you doubt or disagree with, let me know. It can easily be fixed.
“I don’t like you and your constant Hi there! is annoying.”
I hated myself for years and questioned everything about me as a being. It took some deep soul searching to finally find inner peace. Now I hate everything and everyone. Not in a way you might think. I don’t carry hate in my heart towards anyone. To me you are equal. No matter if I’ve known you for years or minutes. Instead I use that hate as a fuel to work, create and play.
As for why I say “Hi there!” on each new post I comment on. My parents taught me to be polite in any situation. Starting conversation with some form of hello is just that.
“Why do you spend your time here? Don’t you have other things to do?”
I reached position in my life when I don’t have to worry about finances. Or going to work. But still I wake up at 5AM, 6 days a week, drive to local bakery, buy doughnuts and croissants for my employees, make rounds, ask them if something is needed for that specific location, make sure paperwork is in order and tell them their hard work is appreciated as much as they are. Treating your employees as you treat your best customers goes a long way. I came to US with 100 dollars in my pocket and spent first 3 months sleeping in a tent at local park. Remember that you can build something from nothing but you can’t gain something by doing nothing.
“Are you an alien?”
This one was tough to answer. There really isn’t clear way to do so.
I get angry, sad, happy, tired, excited , disgusted and scared as everyone else. No I don’t get horny because I’m asexual. But that’s beside the point. However my way of thinking is very different from others. So if you strapped me to a lie detector and asked me that question, I would say yes and no and both would be true.
Now to more serious matter. I joined Reddit because it was recommended to me and I’ve heard there was a community just for G14. Which was very intriguing by itself. Yes I own a bunch of different products from Apple, Asus, Amplifi, Alienware, Dell, HP, Samsung, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo etc. but they all have massive communities behind them. This was one is special due to its small size and people passionate about very niche product. So I made that conscious decision to sign up and join. To talk to people, help them, ask for help and laugh.
But in that same way I made my decision, you, as a community have every right to make decision about me not being here. I’m not gonna force myself onto anyone. So if my presence is not welcome, you have every right to decide that.
There won’t be any hard feelings or anger if you choose to do so. I’m not gonna rob anyone of a chance for their voice to be heard.
Note: English is not my first nor second language. If you see any typos or errors please let me know.
Thank you to everyone who took their time to read this. You all deserve transparency and truth. That’s your right. Hopefully I was able to answer some of your questions.
As a gift, enjoy this picture of me licking G14 box. Pardon my scruffy face. Too lazy to shave in this heat.
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Musings on the Free Zone: Hateful Redditors, Self-Appointed Warlords, and What Comes Next

I'm seeing a ton of misinformation being posted about the Free Zone and Capitol Hill in general and I just wanted to take this opportunity to clear some things up and discuss ways to move forward.
I'm a mixed race photojournalist from Detroit who has lived in Capitol Hill for the past five years and I've worked at two restaurants in the Free Zone (I call it the Free Zone for ease of writing fucking CHAZ a thousand times).
Like so many others, these blocks of Capitol Hill represent "home" -- it's the heart of Seattle's art scene, nightlife, and progressive gay community.
I've been fortunate enough to track this entire movement from its inception and I've been able to witness the in-fighting of the organizers and the lack of strategy amongst our police department.
Please check my post history for more information of my past efforts. I'm currently part of the group forcing Mayor Jenny Durkan to be recalled.
First off, it's important to discuss the false allegations currently being floated by the Assistant Police Chief and KOMO News. No, their precinct was never under the imminent threat of fire. No, the protesters aren't trying to extort local businesses. No, there aren't ID checkpoints.
These rumors are baseless and would be almost funny if the situation weren't so tense and polarizing.
These "hot takes" are being perpetuated and regurgitated by right-wing media pundits to paint the Free Zone as some sort lawless-vegan-Waterworld. It's preposterous.
Anybody who has ever lived or worked in Capitol Hill -- the LGBTQ+ headquarters of Seattle -- knows that this notion of painting us as violent, pyromaniac Antifa Anarchists is asinine.
Which leads to the next point: a surge of "hate subredditors" flooding the Seattle subs with biting cynicism and tons of displaced anger.
From the looks of the posts, and the content of the comments, it looks like not only have these users never lived in Cap Hill, it seems unlikely that they've ever even visited at all.
While their rhetoric is divisive -- and fueled by Trump and Breitbart and Sinclair Broadcasting -- it really isn't an effective tactic of making a mature, sustained argument.
So avoid giving these users the attention they so desperately crave.
As for the "warlord": We as Capitol Hill residents have to hold him accountable for his actions just as we did with the police.
His self-centered antics in the name of peace have absolutely de-legitimized the cause and has all but eradicated the progress our protestors have made.
And now he's threatening the Free Zone's representation as a whole.
To the rest of the world: Trust us, this guy doesn't represent our movement, our message, or the people of Capitol Hill AT ALL.
He showed up about 4 days late in his Tesla, with an AK, preaching peace, then got into a fight with a popular live-streamer, then he's Dr. King for a few hours, then his crew booed our elected city councilwomen and mocked her accent, then he threatens a graffiti artist's life and breaks the dude's glasses, then his people have the audacity to lie about it.
We don't stand for that shit and we never will.
It distinctly goes against the principles established in the Free Zone and we all know it.
He's been trying to hijack these protests for his own cause since, like, day 4... but now he's out of control.
He will absolutely be held accountable for his actions, but in a peaceful, proactive Capitol Hill way. We'll all make sure of that.
As for moving forward, it's really quite simple. As a BLM movement supporter since Aiyana Stanley-Jones was murdered by Detroit police in 2010, before BLM was even a hashtag, I've been following these issues closely and with increasing disgust, intensity, and frustration.
Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the uprising that George Floyd's murder would cause -- it's incredibly inspiring to see the collective outrage of America.
Keep in mind that the BLM King County movement is only loosely affiliated with the national chapter and I've witnessed first-hand the disorganization of the organizers.
And, in all fairness, that AMA with the BLM National leader the other day didn't look too good either, despite being bombarded by racists questions, including the "13% // 50% argument".
Within the BLM movement -- like any social movement advocating for change -- there are conflicting messages, differing demands, exaggerated ideas... It's all very confusing.
In my opinion, this movement has grown beyond just Black Lives and is now addressing oppression as a whole -- from women to Natives to queers to Hispanics to Asians to Amish? -- and to remain narrow-minded by the color of our skin defeats the entire purpose of the cause.
Yes, we all started here because we're disgusted by the treatment of blacks by police. But as we congregate and communicate and share our individual messages, we're all starting to realize just how prevalent oppression is in our everyday society. Even in a liberal safe-haven like Seattle.
One thing we should agree on is the amount of power Jeff Bezos has over the city of Seattle. If you think that he doesn't play a hand in all this, you're sadly mistaking.
His reputation with law enforcement agencies is well-documented and his facial recognition software has been proven to be discriminatory -- it's terrifying when you think of the considerable wealth and influence he has.
Bringing this fight to him, and the other leaders of Seattle's big tech companies, is an important step in dismantling the system and actually achieving lasting reform.
In my opinion, it definitely starts with recalling Mayor Durkan and firing Police Chief Best.
I think taxing Amazon is a good idea and using that money to invest in the communities and residents Bezos benefits from.
I think reallocating the funds of the Police Department is also a great idea and using the surplus to turn the East Precinct into a museum or community center that honors those who have lost their lives to police brutality.
That should be a no-brainer PR move.
Until then, I'll continue to thoroughly enjoy the camaraderie and positive atmosphere of the Free Zone -- and all the memes -- especially considering the violent week we all just endured.
Basically, this whole thing is about optics. So, moving forward, let's continue to keep that in mind when outsiders try to threaten our reputation and hard work.
And let's continue to build up our community together to keep Capitol Hill the lawless-vegan-Waterworld it was intended to be.
If anybody has any questions, comments, or concerns, DM me.
Edit (3:14pm): Spotted -- Cops on bikes and a large truck filled with stuff from the East precinct
Edit (3:36pm): ITS HAPPENING
Edit (3:57pm): Cops are definitely inside the building but they're not doing anything.
Edit (4:00pm): No sign of Raz.
Edit (7:10pm): Still pretty chill. The cops did show up, there was a tense moment but they left and only pepper-sprayed one guy -- I know you guys are probably disappointed. Heard Raz is here, haven't seen him though. A few arguments throughout the day, mostly among the protesters. There was an anti-abortion dude that they yelled at, but that's pretty normal for around here.
Edit (7:17pm): A sleeping homeless guy just got hit in the face with a soccer ball and didn't wake up.
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From C7 to GT350 (with lots of pics!)

Hey all, I figured I'd make a long post about my experience of owning a C7 and why I got rid of it for a GT350. Since today is the 4th of July and a lot of us are indoors more, this is a great day to celebrate and put together this bald eagle story.


GT350 is a much more lively car that the C7 Z51 manual. But closer to the limit is where the C7 shines the brightest as it is more planted. Think of the Corvette as the handy Swiss Army knife of the sports car world where the GT350 is a trusty Bowie knife. One is good at many things and the other is great at what it should really be.


C7 - Cell shots right before I sold it https://imgur.com/gallery/Q6u4d0O
GT350 - High resolution professional shots for your viewing pleasure https://imgur.com/gallery/t9vXoZS

C7 Corvette

Bought a C7 new at 15% off in summer 2016. Drove a few hours to buy it because it had all the options I wanted: 3LT trim, Z51 performance package, coupe, manual, all black everything, Jake hood logo, and no ground effects.
That being my first sports car I had tons of fun driving the best one for the money you could buy new. C7 had been out a couple of years and I figured some kinks were worked out. This year had Android Auto and Apple Car Play and a flat-bottom steering wheel (mine curiously had a leather one with a suede shifter; strange combo but it was nice).
I didn't even consider the GT350 because it just came out and I was working at GM at the time so it would have been silly to drive a direct competitor car with no discount. Plus, they were going for up to $20k over sticker at the dealer for a base model! Many 2020 GT350R models are still going for that. Also the 1st model years had issues without the track pack. Basically it wan't even on my radar. I figured GM's Alpha platform would make anything Ford made for the same price undesirable (I was certainly wrong about that).
Fast forward to 3 years later and I had a laundry list of problems. Mostly electronics went out and there were repeat offenders. If you want to know which ones just ask. Engine didn't have too many issues. I broke in the car correctly. I technically qualified for Lemon Law in the state of Texas but was too late to file it. Pro tip: skip BBB entirely and get a Lemon law lawyer. I was able to get a decent amount despite it not qualifying due to the timeline. Still not as good as a buy back but I got to keep the car hoping it would't waste my time and energy anymore. But it did.
I still think these are great sports cars but if I could afford a Porsche I'd gladly be paying for their reliability and performance. When my C7 was at the dealer for over a month (late 2019 union strike) I decided to shop around because I was nearing the end of my powertrain warranty and my bumper-to-bumper was out. I sold the car earlier this year at 27k miles.


First thing I'd been eyeing was the BMW M2 Competition. It ticked all the right boxes online: RWD, small, manual, and desirable. I was handed the keys at the dealership when I went for a test drive so I was certain I this was going to be it. I really was disappointed. I tend to get hyped up on YT reviews and lot's of them let me down (Doug and Moto Man). But later on in the year others (Smoking Tire and Motor Trend) validated what I felt. Such boring steering and exhaust. Torque wasn't that exciting in 1st gear. Shifter was toy-ish. Seats didn't go forward enough for me to comfortably press clutch all the way. Steering wheel was fat but had the cool M custom drive-mode buttons. Tried to drift it out of a stop but it didn't do it very easy. Also the looks: it is awkward from some angles. Brakes were massive and too sensitive.
Next was the famed ND Miata RF in manual (with updated higher revving engine). Salesperson kept going on how it was a safe car, but during that drive we almost got ran off the road. Interior really is comically scarce on storage. Head was so close to the rear view mirror. Hard top was nice down but I'm bald so I couldn't fit the hairdresser stereotype well. Exhaust was even more boring (again the salesperson was trying hard to sell it saying how it shakes his house on startup!). Shifter was indeed divine- just so notchy. Body roll was "haha oh so silly and fun" but I didn't have the same sentiment.


I randomly went to check a brand new 2019 GT350 that was in the lot next to the Chevy dealer where my C7 was at still waiting for parts. I figured what's there to lose. I might as well check out the cool Voodoo engine sound and see what all the reviewers were raving about (wish I would have seen this one earlier). I really didn't think I was going to enjoy this car as much as I did. It's always great to be surprised.
Now keep this in mind: both of the M2C and Miata I was graciously able to test drive in the twisties for at least 15 minutes. However, they didn't make me lose any sleep. With the GT350 I was only in the car for 10 minutes going slow on straight roads but I couldn't stop thinking about it after I drove it. I recall having nightmares that night. Obsession for months followed until I was able to get one.
Fast forward to spring 2020. I ended up finding a bright green 2020 GT350 with all the options nearby with $5k off sticker (because of the pandemic). I bought it sight unseen as it was sitting in the showroom for one month. This is the last model year of the car also and plants were shutting down so I had to act fast. Only pics of the Grabber Lime paint I could find online were from awful cellphone cameras. I took a gamble it wasn't a nasty dim hue that I'd been seeing and trusted it was a bright paint. It absolutely is. Especially in the sun.
As for the delivery, that was a big mistake. I should have paid for a nice vehicle mover. My front splitter was damaged and a side skirt panel was popped out. Pro tip: don't trust Ford dealers to install anything right (they didn't) and don't use their movers. Get your own that can read simple instructions on how to load a special car. I'm still waiting for payment to get it fixed months later.
In summary, I'm glad my Corvette gave me enough problems to seek out another weekender car. I was woefully wrong about the GT350 because I never drove it. If you want one of these and you can get one then you absolutely should.
Wanted to add some final thoughts:
About the weight and materials. GT350 is about 300lbs heavier and obviously bigger externally. Much taller front clip but the GT350 is much lower and sleeker than the GT Mustang (hence why it looks better). But even the hood is heavy. Whereas the C7 has a carbon fiber hood and targa top that feels more sports car.
Surprisingly I don't care about the weight difference now. You are more connected to the car in the GT350. You sit higher but the steering is immediate and it's so exciting. Even the accelerator pedal buzzes at a certain RPM because of the flat-plane crank engine. There's no lack of grip because of the tires and the balance through corners is delightful.
Go drive one if you can if you have reservations about it.
I want to point out some channels that have in-depth reviews on the GT350: EatSleepDrive, Raiti's Rides, and to quote SavageGeese when reviewing the GT350R: "This car is fucking insane"
Thanks everyone!


feature 2020 GT350 2016 C7 Z51 manual
inputs Excelling steering feedback, shifter is rifle bolt smooth, pedals and engine response are amazing. Steering feedback isn't there, shifter is notchy and requires granny shifting else you may grind hard from 2nd to 3rd. Noticeable lag from pedal to engine response.
exhaust Alien and intoxicating! But not entirely loud enough. Wind buffeting and seats folded down are not enough. In a tunnel and/or red-line you reach nirvana. Ferocious sound at full throttle, especially with the targa top off in a tunnel.
engine Power after 3500 RPM but I don't miss the low-end torque of the Vette as working for it is way more fun! Hammer from hell power but lazy and runs out of revs quickly.
handling Very lively just driving around town or in a canyon (haven't done track), brakes are larger than the C7 but not as confidence inspiring. Very confident in a canyon and track (just hugs the ground in turns), brakes are monstrous but can overheat due to the size.
driving mode preference steering wheel: comfort, exhaust: sport, everything else in normal steering: sport, exhaust: track (or just pull fuse), drive mode: touring
favorites Pure analog experience, all the glorious inputs (suede steering wheel with gloves), toggle switches for all the fun stuff, exhaust sound, leave it in 2nd gear and let it rev to the moon and back, less frills (also less things to break!), I ALWAYS want to drive it, comfy ride (seats and magna-ride suspension), back seats hold my GoPro case, car locks with your thumb and unlocks when pulling the handle, gorgeous profile from every angle (especially in bright colors), encouraging and less "my car is the rarest" community, Cobra badges are serious business, numbered chassis is displayed on the dash! Torque, low seating position, targa top, 3LT Nappa leather smell, light-weight chassis and body, trans in rear for weight distribution, tons of tech: PDR, front curb cameras, digital dash, HUD, auto rev match, 30 mpg on cyl deactivation mode, I transported a gun safe in the massive hatch, great profile from most angles, hidden storage compartment, tow hook fits easy (even better with Z06 grill)
least favorites Front splitter scrapes easily, Ford dealers, engine horror stories, Mustang weight and name affiliation, more front-heavy, gas tank needs filling up often, 2019-2020 have MPSS Cup2 tires that will last 3 to 10k miles street + canyon driving, have to remove bumper to install tow hook, body panel alignment, kinda ugly orange front marker lights (turn dial to left to fix in daytime), break-in instructions are heavily debated Reliability (3LT top level trim electronics mostly), Corvette community, revs run out fast, just not that engaging to drive when going on a cruise, 4th gear goes well over 100mph, got hit often (low and dark profile), laggy and new-passenger confusing unlocking door mechanisms, rear profile too skinny on base model, run-flat tires are harsh, cheap sharp plastic volume buttons on steering wheel, have to pay $350 at dealer to get magna-ride update to make it less harsh, exhaust mode buried in clunky infotainment
must-do mods Lethal Performance resonator delete pipe (I hope it's not too raspy), rock blockers on side skirt, passenger side oil separator, damn shifter buzz MGW short shifter, AWE x-pipe, Z06 grill (for base model)
ideal model and options GT350 (unless you actually race often then get the R), bright color with stripes, 2019+ for V2 Voodoo engine (shares GT500 internal parts), base seats Grand Sport coupe, 3LT or 2LT with PDR, manual (auto is terrible- just get the C8 if you can't shift), Z07 package if you race (carbon ceramics are expensive)

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Lion's Mane

What has been your experience with it, are you cycling it, any withdrawals if you stop taking it, any side effects?
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